Ancient Sites

St. Mary Magdalene Church (site of)

Created 05-05-2002    Last update 13-01-2011


    Along Widley Walk, which is to the east of Fort Widley, is the original and now deserted mediaeval site of the village of Widley. The village consisted of a church, a manor house and quite a number of small cottages. All that remains of the village is the graveyard of the church, the rest of the village now being farm or woodland.
    The church was first mentioned in 1154 AD, although it is understood to have been a place of worship since the 900s. The original church was extended in 1709, 1813 and 1824. Unfortunately the later extensions not only removed most of the oldest part of the structure and its architectural features, but also important structural elements of it, which resulted in its partial collapse in 1847. The church was partially demolished in 1849, and a new church built from the rubble which opened in 1850.
    The second churches life was short however. The building of new churches in the area, and the land taken from the parish to create the new parishes of Waterlooville, Purbrook, Portsdown and Cosham left Widley with very few parishioners. It has also been stated that the old Widley Village was forcibly moved east to its present location during the 1860s so as to "deny the enemy any cover" during the construction of the Palmerston Forts.  

    After 1907, the church was locked up. It suffered much vandalism after 1945 which resulted in the roof being removed in 1950. In January 1953 the church was bulldozed and the graveyard cleared. The area remained neglected until 1976 when local history enthusiasts tided the site and recorded some of the remaining gravestones.
    Once more the site was neglected until 1989 since when endeavours have been made to keep it rubbish and weed free. The original foundations have been exposed and marked by a dry rubble wall.

 

Aerial photo site location    Grid Ref SU659074


  
location map of Widley Church

The arrow points to the location of the church site and shows its relationship with Fort Widley half a mile to the south.


Image produced from the Ordnance Survey Get-a-map service. Image reproduced with kind permission of Ordnance Survey and Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland.

 
 
 
site of the old church

Behind the wall lies the site of the old church and graveyard. In the background is Mill Farm.

 
 
 
site of old church - dry wall

The site of the church is now marked out by a dry rubble wall, which appears to contain some interesting pieces. There are supposed to be some underground features (crypt?) somewhere here. I took a lot of the information presented above from the white notice behind the wall.

 
 
 
tombstones

At the back of the graveyard are some of the surviving tombstones. 

Charles Dickens infant brother Alfred was buried here in 1814.

 
 
 
Widley Church

St Mary Magdalene Church: built 1850 demolished 1953. This site has had a church on it since 1154.

 
 
 
Old Widley Church

NEW - 21-05-2004

A 1910 photo of the Church with its parishioners in their Sunday best. 

 
 
 
inside the church

NEW - 06-02-2005

The church had a seating capacity of 214 with its traditional box pews. There were possibly thousands of burials over the 700 of years of church's lifetime including those of titled and wealthy landowners.

Source: Peter Rogers

 

 

   
 

NEW - 13-01-2011

 
 

My family, the Rays, were resident in Widley in the 18th and 19th century and probably centuries before. They farmed at Pigeon House Farm in the 1790s and there is a tantalisingly named Ray’s Farm on a map of 1791 north of the site of Old Widley village.

The graveyard at St. Mary's is full of Rays! I discovered the church site through your website several years ago and me and my father visited and discovered on the surface a set of grave stones (head and foot) for an ancestor called Benjamin Ray d. 1838, buried with his 2 (consecutive!) wives and 3 of his children.

We returned this weekend and all the stones have gone. Do you know why and when this was done? [Does anyone know the answer to this?] The trees look nice but we were disappointed the stones had gone. Thanks for a great site.

Stuart Ray - January 2011

 

 
 

NEW - 02-11-2006

 
 

I went to Wymering church yesterday to see the church where one of my ancestors, Thomas Palmer, was vicar in 1737. He was vicar of Wymering and Widley at that time. I asked the person who allowed me to look around the church, where Widley church was and he told me that Widley church was no longer there. That is why I was looking on the web to see if I could find some information or pictures of it when I came across your website.

I was born in Meonstoke, near Droxford but we moved to Shedfield was I was about 6. My father worked for Cases Bakery in Wickham and was a bakers roundsman. He used to deliver around Denmead, Lovedean, Horndean, Hambledon and HMS Dryad and many other places near.

If it wasn't for you, the history of this area would be lost forever.

Keep up the good work!! Very well done!!

Helen Boyes - October 2006